Present default SAME, El Plumerillo, runway is misaligned. ILS heading is better aligned, although it still needs a retouch.
Flying ILS to RW36 at SAME with default scenery and default nav data (as of XP v11.25) gives the result shown on picture 01.
I already finished my own very detailed version of this airport for the Scenery Gateway based on Argentine air authority published data, but it is impossible to upload to the Scenery Gateway due to a validation error.
Flying the ILS to RW36 with my scenery and default data gives the result shown on picture 02.
The default CIPF lack the RNP approaches to RW18 and RW36 at present available at the real airport. They are, though, included with current Navigraph cycle 1808 and flying the RNP RW36 to a runway aligned according to current real life coordinates results in a perfectly aligned approach as shown on pictures 03 and 04.
Argentina's AIP published runway coordinates for SAME are the following:
RW18
-32.81915556
-68.79268333
RW36
-32.84430278
-68.79305278
The corresponding page in that document is shown on picture 05 with runway coordinates highlighted by me.
Thank you very much.
The existing airport layout at SAME is significantly misaligned with satellite imagery, though the ILS is pretty much correct. This airport needs rebuilding in the Scenery Gateway. If you have rebuilt the airport in its accurate location and alignment then why not fix the validation errors and upload it to the Scenery Gateway?
None of the runways have centerline lights in real life
RWY36 has EASA Precision markings in real life
RWY18 uses US Precision markings in real life
None of the runways have TDZ lights
Hopefully you can do this quick fixes
Runway has center line as defined in AIP publication I add.
EASA and US precision markings no represent diferences in visual WED definition.
TDZ as published in AIP (edge of runway) do not work in WED. TDZ is the best aproximation I can.
Just checked my 2 sources (Argentina AIP and Navigraph) and it does have centerline lights my bad. But still EASA in RWY36 is more accurate in my testings in wed and in sim view (TDZ more accurate). And didn't find anything of tdz lights in my sources. Check page 5 AD 2.14 LUCES DE APROXIMACIÓN Y DE PISTA / APPROACH AND RUNWAY LIGHTING (Argentina AIP)
Present default SAME, El Plumerillo, runway is misaligned. ILS heading is better aligned, although it still needs a retouch.
Flying ILS to RW36 at SAME with default scenery and default nav data (as of XP v11.25) gives the result shown on picture 01.
I already finished my own very detailed version of this airport for the Scenery Gateway based on Argentine air authority published data, but it is impossible to upload to the Scenery Gateway due to a validation error.
Flying the ILS to RW36 with my scenery and default data gives the result shown on picture 02.
The default CIPF lack the RNP approaches to RW18 and RW36 at present available at the real airport. They are, though, included with current Navigraph cycle 1808 and flying the RNP RW36 to a runway aligned according to current real life coordinates results in a perfectly aligned approach as shown on pictures 03 and 04.
Argentina's AIP published runway coordinates for SAME are the following:
RW18
-32.81915556
-68.79268333
RW36
-32.84430278
-68.79305278
The corresponding page in that document is shown on picture 05 with runway coordinates highlighted by me.
Thank you very much.
Robin Peel August 1, 2018 6:04 PM
The existing airport layout at SAME is significantly misaligned with satellite imagery, though the ILS is pretty much correct. This airport needs rebuilding in the Scenery Gateway. If you have rebuilt the airport in its accurate location and alignment then why not fix the validation errors and upload it to the Scenery Gateway?
Robin Peel August 1, 2018 6:05 PM
Airport needs rebuilding on Scenery Gateway. ILS is correct.
None of the runways have centerline lights in real life
RWY36 has EASA Precision markings in real life
RWY18 uses US Precision markings in real life
None of the runways have TDZ lights
Hopefully you can do this quick fixes
Jan Vogel February 10, 2024 12:00 PM
No airports will be fixed by Laminar Research. All airport work is done by volunteer Scenery Gateway artists.
ecallr February 10, 2024 5:22 PM
Runway has center line as defined in AIP publication I add.
EASA and US precision markings no represent diferences in visual WED definition.
TDZ as published in AIP (edge of runway) do not work in WED. TDZ is the best aproximation I can.
Diego Baboun February 10, 2024 5:51 PM
Just checked my 2 sources (Argentina AIP and Navigraph) and it does have centerline lights my bad. But still EASA in RWY36 is more accurate in my testings in wed and in sim view (TDZ more accurate). And didn't find anything of tdz lights in my sources. Check page 5 AD 2.14 LUCES DE APROXIMACIÓN Y DE PISTA / APPROACH AND RUNWAY LIGHTING (Argentina AIP)
Jan Vogel June 25, 2025 3:12 PM
I agree that there should be not touchdown zone lighting - I have removed it.
I have also changed the precision marking for runway 36 to EASA.
I will change the status of this report to “fixed” when my submission has become accepted and recommended.